SAMI POLICY COMMITTEE AND TECHNICAL COMMITTEE JOINT MEETING

DECEMBER 8-9, 1999 - CHARLOTTESVILLE VIRGINIA

 

ATTENDING:  Ralph Perhac, Mike Teague, John Jansen, Jim Joy, Tracy Carter, Glen Reeve, John Bunyak, Susan Wierman, Bill Rozette, Don Shepherd, Ron Methier, Tim Smith, Jan Berry, Laura Boothe, Jim Renfro, Krishnan Kandasamy, Quincy Styke, Barry Stephens, Holly Sharpless, Arthur Smith, Fred Durham, Dale Farley, Eldewins Haynes, Jack Taylor, Don Gasper, Patty West, Ken Barrett, Diana Andrews, Winston Smith, Kathy Beckett, Pat Brewer, Mike Stroben, Randy Eminger, Phil Brantley, Jerome Thomas, Bruce Bayle, Paul Muller, Pat DalPorto, Cal Ogburn, Kevin Snape, Tom Elmore, Jim Williams

 

Connecting Interim Years - The group agreed to use straight lines to approximate the path of the curve between points spaced at 5-year intervals.

 

API Presentation

 

Fuel cells are expected to generate a 30 to 100% improvement in fuel efficiency.  They are likely to be cost-competitive about 2010.  The fuel choices are hydrogen, methanol, and hydrocarbon fuels.

 

MOBILE SOURCES BOLD AND [BOLD WITH CONSTRAINTS] DISCUSSION

 

Refer to chart below.

 

 

WHAT DO STAKEHOLDERS REALLY WANT? DISCUSSION

 

Refer to the chart below for the results of the brainstorming session on this topic.  The interests attributed to a stakeholder group came from that stakeholder in some cases but in other cases they were attributed to the stakeholder group by a participant from another group.  For example, not politicians were in the room but the group generally agreed that the interests attributed to politicians seemed reasonable.  This information is intended to help SAMI move toward recommendations that meet the interests of all stakeholder groups (win-win solutions) in contrast to recommendations in which some stakeholders' interests are met and others are not (win-lose or compromise solutions).

 

 

SELF-CRITIQUE

 

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ADJOURNMENT


MOBILE SOURCES BOLD AND [BOLD WITH CONSTRAINTS] DISCUSSION

 

 

·        LIGHT DUTY MOBILE ON-ROAD BOLD SCENARIO  (BOLD WITH CONSTRAINTS IN PARENS)

 

2010 -- All [50%] LEV with LEV defined as the lowest of EPA, California, or Tier II whichever is most stringent.  Fuel is not specified.

 

2040 -- All [50%] ZEV powered by fuel cells.  Refinery emissions are assumed to be constant since the expected increase in VMT is assumed to be matched by an increase in vehicle efficiency.

 

1990 to 2040 -- Assume a 25% [10%] cut in the rate of VMT growth.

 

·        2040 HEAVY DUTY MOBILE ON-ROAD BOLD SCENARIO [WITH CONSTRAINTS IN BRACKETS]

 

25% [10%] ZEV

25% [10%] of VMT to rail

50% [80%] meet HD diesel standard with 5ppm S Fuel

 

·        2010 HEAVY DUTY MOBILE ON-ROAD BOLD SCENARIO [WITH CONSTRAINTS IN BRACKETS]

 

100% [100%] use 50 ppm S diesel fuel

50% [10%] of vehicles meet 2007 HD vehicle standards in 2010

 

·        NONROAD BOLD SCENARIO [WITH CONSTRANTS IN BRACKETS]

 

2010    100% [50%] 50 ppm S fuel

            25% [0%] 2007 vehicle standards

            100% [50%] airport service to fuel cells or ZEV

 

2040    100% 5ppm [50ppm] S fuel for all diesel applications

            100% [50%] 2007 vehicle standards

            No [no] ZEV

            100% [100%] airport service to fuel cells or ZEV

 

            Note: Increase rail emissions to match transfer of VMT from HD on-road (both years and bold plus bold with constraints)

 


WIN-WIN SCENARIO EXERCISE

 

Stakeholder

Gotta' Have

Staff

Happy stakeholders

States

A level playing field related to regulatory requirements from state to state

States

Clear FLM expectations on emission limits (not case-by-case, more certainty)

FLM

No adverse impact to resources

Environmental Groups

1930s levels of SOx and NOx

EPA

Meet CAA and Haze Rule requirements.

Show real improvements in air quality.

Dept. of Energy

An understanding of ecosystem effects.

An energy-efficient approach to technological development.

Industry

An energy-efficient approach to technological development.

Rely on cost/benefit analyses -- best bang for the buck.

Industry

Use a rational basis for decisions.

Industry

No adverse impact on competitiveness, particularly for mature industries.  Don't rock the economic boat.

Industry

Level playing field region to region, fuel to fuel, industry to industry.

 

States

Strong consensus and implementable recommendations.

Dept. of Energy

Sustainable solutions.

Contractors

Simple answers. No backtracking.  Clear, direct guidance.

Industry

Credible justifications.

FLM

Validation of AQRV concerns.

Industry

Flexibility to seek least cost solutions.

Industry

Incentives are better than command and control.

EPA

Accountability

Politicians

Re-election.

No job loss.  Positive economic impact.

Limited controversy.

Clear guidance.

Public support.

Consensus.

Public

Free beer.

Information.

Minimal lifestyle impact.

Healthful air.

"It all."

Use of natural resources.

Nature "on demand.".  "Drive-thru" nature.

Industry

Holistic view (e.g. Consider implications of fuel switches.)

States

Technology development to solve environmental problems.

States

Pollution prevention approach to process design.

 

 

 

 

           

 

MEETING CRITIQUE

 

 

DID WELL

 

DO DIFFERENTLY

 

 

Bigger desserts

Effects meeting down the hall

Effects meeting in another city

Win-Win exercise

Don talks more

Win-Win exercise earlier in the day

Tom solicits Don's involvement

 

Ask industry to attend